It has always been the preoccupation of the ignorant and simple-minded to marginalize the spiritual perspective by demanding proof for anything that seems tenuous in comparison to their "e;solid"e; perspective as if "e;true spirituality"e; was anything tenuous. But, as these investigations have pointed out, there is nothing "e;solid"e; independent of separating ourselves from our experience or reality and the introduction of time and space which as a foundation principle couldn't be less solid. Like Schopenhauer pointed out: "e;No object without a subject is the principle which renders all materialism forever impossibleso that it is impossible that subject and object can stand to each other in a relation of reason and consequentthe last link is the starting point, the chain a circle and the materialist is like Baron Mnchausen who, when swimming in water on horseback, drew the horse into the air with his legs and himself also by his cue.